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Monday, April 07 2003 @ 04:02 pm EDT
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Hi all,
I made this one trying to avoid tables as much as possible and using stylesheets instead.

Any hints, suggestions, clues, etc. welcome at webmaster@cremerplein.nl. I hope you like it.

See you at: cremerplein.nl. If you want to take a look at the source code feel free to send me an e-mail.

Ron

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Authored by: Dirk on Monday, April 07 2003 @ 04:26 pm EDT

While being nice and clean, it seems to need some more work since the first story displays below the blocks. Or, in other words: I see the site header, a huge white area for most of the page with the blocks on the right side of it. Only when the blocks end do I see the first story on the left of it (tested with Mozilla and Safari).

bye, Dirk

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Authored by: os on Tuesday, April 08 2003 @ 05:20 am EDT

No problems here, Mozilla 1.3 on windows xp.

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Authored by: Anonymous (Anonymous User) on Tuesday, April 08 2003 @ 08:48 am EDT

The css needs some work. the picture overlays the menus in ie. It looks fine in mozilla/netscape as long as you don't resize below 800x600.

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Authored by: Anonymous (Anonymous User) on Tuesday, April 08 2003 @ 03:35 pm EDT

Dirk,
Thanks for your comments. What is the size of your screen? I tested with the same browser as you did and it works quite well -except for some tables-
Thanks!
Ron

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Authored by: Dirk on Wednesday, April 09 2003 @ 05:19 am EDT

Screen size shouldn't matter in web design - it's the size of the browser window that matters and I guess mine are usually a bit smaller than the average (I'd say the width is somewhere around 700 pixels). So this is one area where a table layout does have its advantages ...

bye, Dirk

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Authored by: Anonymous (Anonymous User) on Wednesday, April 09 2003 @ 06:18 am EDT

OK, I should have asked what window size you have. I agree the size shouldn't matter. The problem with the floating blocks is that when the window size becomes too small the blocks wrap. I disagree about the table layout for several -actually a lot of- reasons, but that's another discussion. I changed the block size a little bit and it should work better now. Anyhow, thanks for your comments. It helped me make things better ;-).
Ron

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Authored by: LeChuck on Wednesday, April 30 2003 @ 04:20 am EDT

The real question is... what's bad about tables? Why is people lately trying to avoid the use of tables?

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Authored by: Anonymous (Anonymous User) on Wednesday, April 30 2003 @ 05:29 am EDT

It's an accessibility issue. They don't degrade well in other devices like PDAs and readers used by the blind. Tables were never meant for layout design purposes but were used this way for a very long time because the community and browers were slow to implement measures to separate content from design. Even today, it's still very tough to design without any tables used in the page layout.

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Authored by: Dirk on Wednesday, April 30 2003 @ 08:05 am EDT

While I agree with what you wrote, you could of course argue that a 3-column layout, like the one Geeklog uses, can be seen as some form of tabular data.

So, yes, it's a good idea to avoid tables for purely layout purposes but you shouldn't avoid them at all costs. The resulting <div> soup that can be found on some sites is often worse than a handfull of carefully placed tables. IMO, of course.

bye, Dirk

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Authored by: Anonymous (Anonymous User) on Wednesday, April 30 2003 @ 01:08 pm EDT

Yes, I agree. Many think you have to eliminate tables completely and this is not the case either. When a person wants to display something the right tag should be used and and in some cases it means a table. Many people though including me still use them solely for layout. My reason is because it's still easier and not all the div attributes such as min-width have been implemented in all browsers.

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